> >US government aid promised is now $US350M afaik or somewhat under > >$US1 >> per head of population. > Don't forget to add 35 ships including the aircraft carrier Lincoln, Lots of nice pictures of the battle group in action (and a whole lot of other photos as they get older). http://www.navy.mil/view_photos.asp?page=8&sort_type=1&sort_row=1 Next page from this one - near to bottom - some of those boxes contain "Sustagen" - better than nothing I'm sure, but ... :-) For interest, the boxes here are labelled "Mona Kopyor" as was a much clearer photo in our largest newspaper. These appear to be Indonesian made biscuits. See http://www.pom.go.id/nonpublic/reg/detail_produk.asp?idp=1109673&klas_id=13 for basic description. These are being trucked by US personnel here and by US helicopter in our newspaper photo - suggestingh taht Indonesia is currently (at least in part) supplying aid for the US to deliver rather than at this stage delivering internationally sourced material - as you would hope would happen. More biscuits - being passed down a chain from indonesians to US military. Helmeted final man suggests a bird is involved - maybe not. http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=20080 This appears to be rice. http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=20141 BULOG on bag tells you the source. Address matches. Indonesian product again. Why not. BULOG (NATIONAL LOGISTIC AGENCY) (GA) Jalan Jenderal, Galot Subroto Kav 49, Jakarta, INDONESIA PH: 62/21/512209; TLX: 073-7964-4303. Contact: Bustanil Antin, Chrman. Bande Aceh airport is at the centre of the disaster so this is apparently incoming supplies about to be trucked out locally. Seahawk with full load - all Indonesian http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=20137 Ayam Bawang http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=20136 More biscuits - http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=20135 Warzone !!!! Not much standing here. http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=20106 Or here. Seahawk about to touch down. http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=20113 Mineral water by the pallet load - makes sense http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=20103 SO - ALL Indonesian aid (food/drinks) so far using these photos as a gyuide. > 20 C-130 cargo planes, dozens of helicopters and thousands of > US service personnel. No other country on earth could do this > even if they wanted to. Some few others could (or equivalent naval functionality) - but it makes best sense for the US to actually do so. And I'm sure most people are highly grateful that they are doing so. I'm not sure there are 35 useful ships there, but we don't mind. (The battle group is six ships (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2003/02/mil-030228-nns02.htm) but there are other vessels deployed to the area. > This costs real tax dollars over and above the > "$US350K afaik...". I suspect that part of that is in the 350kk. but we won't complain. > And of course there's the 3+ billion (3x10^9) dollars the US > Govt gave internationally in various types of disaster assistance in > 2004. About $US10/head of US population. Definitely a large and useful sum of money. More would always be nice ;-). > In the US, private giving exceeds government by a huge amount. Indeed. also welcome. > Maybe the world should be grateful that we are the type > people that want to help? And here's the rub. I've noted all the positives above. And they are positives. And people should be grateful. And they often are. BUT unfortunately, for whatever reasons, and the reasons are complex, the average image that the US manages to convey is NOT one of being "the type of people that want to help". It's great to feel that way about yourselves, and it's even greater when that IS the way that the US behaves, and it often does. But the sum total of image is based on the sum total of performance, with a bias towards the nagatives, and there are enough negatives to help some people not see the positives. The US annual income per capita (GDP) is about $US37,800 per annum. The US GNP is about 10,000 billion $US. So each billion dollars spent on anything is about 1/10000th or 0.01% of GNP. $350 million is 0.0035% of GNP. 100 billion (!!!) is about 1%. The US doesn't HAVE to do anything for anyone, it doesn't HAVE to give aid, it doesn't HAVE to ... . But in a world where there is definitely take to go with the give, an apparently large amount of axle greasing is an utterly vital part of getting along in the world. It MUt be appreciated that the US does "take" as well as give. You/we all know that the US (and me and ...) benefit from the efforts of those in far worse positions than we are and that our luxury derives in significant part from their penury. I'm not arguing that this is good or bad or whatever - just noting the fact that it is true. I know the arguments from both sides and that's not the point. The point is, when you do business, there is always a cost of doing business. Cut too many corners and you are in trouble. Aid is to some extent like corrupt t[practyices in eg Indonesia. The major difference may be that it is out in the open. Humanitarian aid is intended partially to aid humantarianlly - and partially to achieve various political aims. If you can achieve both at once, so much the better. Some will be more purley humanitarian than others. But until you are hitting somewhere around the 1% mark, odds are you're not pulling your weight in the world and you're going to suffer for it one way or the other (or both ways:-) ). If you try to have amongtst the most luxuriant lifestyles on average (ignoring those noveau rich oil producsers :-) ), and if you utterly rely on the material and manpower resources of the rest of the world to achieve this, then you must pay your way. So, no, on average the rest of the world is not stunningly grateful a fair part of the time at present. Don't be upset though, just smile sweetly, stick your hand in your pocket again and realise that it's just a part of the cost of doing business. Russell McMahon PS If you fail to understand all the implications of the paradigm "grain fed beef", or that such a term can even BE a paradign, then most of the above probably won't make much sense ;-) (and maybe not then). -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist