John and Dave Thanks for suggestions. The idea of using white paper as both reflector and diffuser is worth trying. It may be that shining the LEDs down onto a reflector would look better than shining up directly onto the back of the LCD I think I'll have a look also at moving the driver IC to get more room under the display so that light has more chance to break up and spread, and I can be choosy about their orientation. A reflector/diffuser will still be useful Not especially keen on bending pins backwards on a big DIP but I've a few scrap boards with never-going-to-be-used 40- pin ICs that I can experiment with The alternative is to draw the board with the more complicated layout and use plenty of vias to get the IC on the other side of the PCB without needing to bend pins. ISTR that vias don't add greatly to the cost of the PCB although I've never had a board made with them. I did ask at my board house a couple of years ago and remember being not too shocked but the board I had made need just a few through-holes that got connected with pins and wire so I didn't worry about plated vias Impossible to get a pricing at this time of year - can someone give me an idea of what the addition of say 40-50 vias would do to the cost of a board ? Obviously a hole is needed for each but what about the plating ? I believe my board house always starts with double-sided stock if that's relevant -- http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist