So what does one use for teaching basic programming to kids these days. (pre-algebraic 5th graders, to be specific.) I haven't heard anything about LOGO in a long time, and Pascal seems a bit dated and uncommon. Java? Are there any good java books and/or environments aimed at kids this age? BillW _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist