I'm actually considering a complete kit. The "awkward" parts are most of the cost, so adding the rest shouldn't raise the price much and add a lot of convenience. The ZIF socket and PIC alone account for over half the parts cost. I'm having a production run of ProProgs made right now. This is the first time I'm using a local company to put together the kit for the manufacturers. Once I see how that goes, I'm considering having them put together kits for the EasyProg and then I'll sell them at a small markup. The only thing that may break this is that the end sell price will need to be higher than hobbyists are willing to pay. _______________________________________ Can you come up with an estimate of a full kit cost? Just a kit of parts would be suitable for me as apposed to a fully assembled unit. Then you could carry out a quick survey of piclist members to see if they would have or may still want a programmer at that cost - may need to change tag to [AD] though :-) _______________________________________ Roy Tauranga New Zealand _______________________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 9/12/2004 _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist