> So why are the MDT parts called clones, fakes and pirates while the > binary compatible, directly interchangeable Scenix parts were an > example of American ingenuity ? > > Steve. Several reasons: 1. The Scenix parts are NOT intended to replace PICs. I suspect they used the PIC instruction set as a matter of convenience, a "feature" to attract those of us accustomed to using it. Think about it: a minor change in their core, different mnemonics and I wouldn't be typing this. I also don't believe that they are pin compatible, but that I could easily be wrong about. 2. A clone and a fake/counterfeit/pirate are different things. A clone is either licensed or has sufficient differences to be considered a different product, even if it is functionally identical. A fake/counterfeit/ pirate is marked and marketed as the product it is taking the place of. If you order a PIC16F876, and get anything which is labelled as such but isn't, that part is a counterfeit (or labelling error). Bottom line: clones good, counterfeits bad. Think about it: if you were an American company who ordered 2 million units from a Chinese manufacturer, who specced PICs but then used inferior quality counterfeits, and you had a terrible failure rate in one year, would you use a PIC in your next product the next year? No, you wouldn't. But you might use the same manufacturer, because AFAYK, they got bad product from Microchip. Mike H. _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist