There is a real anti-4x4 thing going on in the UK now, with the 'Campaign against urban 4x4s' stopping people at road junctions and issuing them with fake parking tickets asking them to re-consider there use of such vehicles. In the main, I agree that the innapropriate use of 4x4's should be discouraged, HOWEVER, in my household we have a sensible economic car, (for me) and an Isuzu 4x4 (for my wife). The Isuzu goes off road every day, to get to my wife's horses & goats, which are kept in a field. The Isuzu is consequently plastered with mud, and full of straw and so far I haven't been asked by any of the tree-huggers if 'I really need that four by four' (It's rather obvious that we do!) Finally, our 4x4 is a diesel and does 30mpg, which is a lot more than say, a BMW 740 / Jag XKR, Big Merc etc etc. It would make more sense if the aformentioned huggers would be campaign against all types of vehicle that guzzle hydrocarbons excessively, and not focus on whether the car has 2 or 4 driven wheels. Just my (humble) opinion! Peter Moreton -----Original Message----- From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Lawrence Lile Sent: 08 December 2004 13:32 To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. Cc: philpem@philpem.me.uk Subject: RE: [OT] Don't you BUY no ugly truck - 2005 Studebaker XUV > I expect to be heavily flamed so... asbestos suit ON... > Yes, Phil, I would argue that I REALLY NEED such a truck to get to work in the morning. Why, just the other day, I was consumed by road rage, and rammed my truck into a hapless passerby who happened to pull out in front of me and cut me off. So much for HIS car! I had nary a scratch. It is my god given right to have a vehicle that can plow anything off the road in front of it, be it rain, sleet, snow, or schoolbus. And if it only gets 3 gallons to the mile, so what? That just shows how rich I am, proving I am important, and proving Americans are the most important people anywhere. So what if everybody thinks we SUV drivers are a**holes? When I am driving over the top of some 50MPG tin lizzie, how much mileage do they get then? Huh? Take THAT you tinny little beetley bugs! -- Lawrence Lile, P.E. Who rode his bike to work today, with a PIC powered high intensity LED light built into the helmet, thinking about servo driven steering. > -----Original Message----- > From: Philip Pemberton [mailto:philpem@dsl.pipex.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:01 AM > To: piclist@mit.edu > Subject: Re: [OT] Don't you BUY no ugly truck - 2005 Studebaker XUV > > In message <057301c4dcea$60b4dbe0$d201a8c0@y2k> > Russell McMahon wrote: > > > "Functional" design carried to its ludicrous conclusion. > > It's interesting that the smaller diesel makes more power and > > torque, > and at > > lower revs (torque at MUCH lower revs). > > 1) It's damn ugly > 2) It's far too big (IMO). My money's on people buying these things > just to > do the daily school run. Yuck. (yes, there are a lot of people > round here > that own 4x4s (or what I suppose Americans would call SUVs), nearly > all of > them are used by parents to take their kids to school, even though the > local school is within walking distance). > I've no objections to people owning 4x4s, as long as no other > vehicle is > suitable - I realise agricultural sites would have a legitimate use for > a 4x4, but someone who just wants to take the kids to school... Ngh... > 3) I guess that thing will probably do, what, 10mpg tops? Ugh. What a > waste... > > I expect to be heavily flamed so... asbestos suit ON... > > Later. > -- > Phil. | Acorn Risc PC600 Mk3, SA202, 64MB, > 6GB, > philpem@philpem.me.uk | ViewFinder, 10BaseT Ethernet, 2- > slice, > http://www.philpem.me.uk/ | 48xCD, ARCINv6c IDE, SCSI > ... A committee has 6 or more legs and no brain. > _______________________________________________ > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your > membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 9/13/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.762 / Virus Database: 510 - Release Date: 9/13/2004 _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist