Jan Erik: You are quite correct - there was/is no urgent reason to change to another bootloader at this time. For the immediate future the 18F452 will handle the product requirements just fine. The problem did turn out to be the tools which are presently available - I would expect this to change over time. However, we have been considering several additions to the product options, and the additional memory space available in the 18F4620 would have been nice to have. Combined with the future discontinuance of the 18F452 product, this was an incentive to investigate replacement tools. And, I am forced to admit, provided some "fun" investigating the bootloader issue, which I am interested in from a design viewpoint. It just may be that I will add my own bootloader code at some time in the future. Be well, Roy ---------------------------------------------------------------- Roy J. Gromlich wrote : [snipped background info about PIC and bootloades...] Hi ! I can understand your frustration. I just thought that you pointed at the PICs as the culprit, when it actually is your tools that aren't updated yet (if ever ?). Anyway, didn't this thread started as a "replace 18F452 since they have been retired" thing ? Was it really that urgent to replace the 452' ? I mean, before the new chip had all tools in place ? Was there other things driving the decision to "upgrade" to the new PICs ? I'm not saying it was wrong, I'd just like to understand. It seems from your latest post that your product uses the new PICs before proper verification of the tools had been done, well, that is what it looks like, anyway. I'll leave this here, since I can't be of any help anyway... :-) Best Regards, Jan-Erik. _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist