There is information on this in the PIC List archive. I did a project with the 16F876A and followed the advice given here (i.e., 10k pull down on the pin): http://www.piclist.com/techref/microchip/16f877/hvprog.htm I never actually tested to see if it was an issue though. A current project with the 16F88 leaves the pin unconnected with no issues programming the device with a PICStart+ and soon to be programming the device with an PM3. Bradley _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist