Well, solved half the issue (of sorts). The hot swap controller has a power good pin, that if the switched side of the FET has voltage (set by a divider) then it stays off (pup'd), and if it drops out due to a bad FET or bad something, then it drives low. OK, well at least I don't have to sense it now, but since the ground reference is still wrong, looks like the only way to do this is an opto (safest way at least). What we do to save a few bucks, but makes the product not as reliable. I'm already using an opto, so guess one more won't hurt much. Thanks for all the suggestions. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist