Thanks for all the info everyone.. Since I am doing this as a hobby and not a career.. I believe I am going to do the following.. 1. Pick up picbasic pro 2. Get mplab's assembler and all the docs.. 3. Buy the melabs serial programmer and the rc40 controller as I planned.. 4. Buy a few pics and read the data sheets.. This way I can play and get some basic things going.. blinking leds, moving servos, etc.. without having to learn a whole new language upfront.. Over time I will definitly make it a point to begin to learn assembly as necessary to get things accomplished. I can definitly see the benefits and understand how knowing the hardware is essential even with a HHL. I just put in an order for a couple books from square-1 "Easy Microcontrol'n " and "Microcontrol'n Apps". Those combned with the picbasic books and "PIC in Practice" book I have should be enough to get me going. Thanks again, Mike _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist