Also forgot to mention, our agreement states that I hold the copyright on All source code and PCB artwork. > Actually it is just a matter of he never asked. > If I were to leave on good terms I would release the algorithm to him, > but having been cheated in the past I tend to protect myself. > Lets say you were hired to develop something with the understanding that > 1. You would receive hourly wages for R&D, and > 2. If the product took off, you would get a commission on all future sales. > This is in our agreement. > Now suppose your boss gets greedy and decides he does not want to pay > you your share of the commissions from sales, so you are out the door. > Then one day he needs an update but your replacement cant find your algorithm, > so you are called back in, negotiate an even better sounding deal, what guarantee do you have that the same will not happen after he has the algorithm? > > KF4HAZ - Lonnie > > ----- From: "Philip Stortz" > > that frankly strikes me as unethical, in the extreme. you've been hired > > and paid to do specific work and designs. the entity employing has the > > right to full documentation of the product you produce for them. if you > > are working as an independent contractor it may be somewhat reasonable, > > if those who contract you understand that they are not going to receive > > full documentation, otherwise you are frankly ripping them off and it is > > highly unethical. if you produce work for someone, that work is theirs > > unless you've negotiated some other agreement or are acting as a > > contractor rather than a traditional employee, and i believe the courts > > would generally agree with me. > > > > i certainly believe that most would agree with on the ethics of this > > situation. by keeping part of the work paid for secret and demanding > > job security for it you are in fact stealing by leveraging what you've > > already been paid for but have failed to deliver against future > > employment, i find this despicable in the extreme. > > > > where i have worked i've always provided full documentation, and even > > after leaving i've consulted (for pay of course) to help the company > > understand how things worked when there wasn't documentation on some > > small points or the documentation had been lost/stolen (in this case it > > was a spin off company, and a dishonest employee had stolen many of the > > computer files relating to his work and the work of others, along with > > the ceo's machining tools...). > > > > i do not work for free, and if you contract me i will charge fees for > > everything and may chose to only license certain tricks to you, however > > if you hire me as an employee, you own my work (along with the liability > > for it) and i will fully disclose unless a prior arrangement has been > > made. this is the implied contract, to do otherwise is dishonest and > > frankly criminal. if you believe you are being under compensated for > > your' work you do not have the right to steal some of your' own work, > > you should renegotiate or find other employment, not unilaterally decide > > not to disclose all of the product you have generated as an employee. > > and i expect no less from those employing me, there is an implied > > contract as well as any specific contract when one is employed and if > > you can't honor that you need to honestly renegotiate rather than > > pulling dishonest tricks to extort the employer. > > > > Falcon Wireless Tech Support - KF4HAZ wrote: > > > > > > I am sure the boss would agree with you, > > > but he didn't design the bootloader, nor the products. > > > I am the only one here who knows the algorithm (job security) > > > He did not cover this in the NDA and I aint gonna tell him. > > > > > > KF4HAZ - Lonnie > > > > > > ----- From: "Wouter van Ooijen" > > > If you don't grok this at the abstract level think this way: the method > > > > must be safe even when one (or even all) of the designers leaves the > > > > company and starts working for the opposition. > > ---------- > > > > -- > > "it is possible to fool all the people all the time-when government and press > > cooperate."-George Seldes, 1938 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > > View/change your membership options at > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com PIC/SX FAQ & list archive View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist