On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 20:36, Olin Lathrop wrote:
> > Seems people are "putting up with it". Remember Olin, it's YOUR
> > attempts at rejoing the list multiple times, each time changing you
> > address, which resulted in James changing how things are done.
> 
> I only ever subscribed to the list with a different address once, and
> posted exactly one message.  It was strictly technical with nothing
> anyone could possibly find offensive.  You guys weren't responding to
> my attempts at off list communication, so that was to find out if I
> would get deleted even for that.

James has responded to most of your message and I agree with most of
what he said.

However, to this point let me respond: WHY didn't you just ASK if you
could come back? Why did you "challenge" us to remove you again?

Personally I didn't respond to your messages since I've wasted MORE then
enough time (and I'm still wasting time right now by writing this
response) dealing with the fallout of a very small number of your
messages. I didn't PERSONALLY want you back, more so because I had
become VERY tired of dealing with you and therefore decided to ignore
you.

> > Then obviously the PICLIST doesn't offer enough to you to warrant a
> > small amount of "bady sitting". I'm sorry that's the case, but so be
> > it.
> 
> Please put yourself in my shoes for a moment.  Would you not find
> that insulting and degrading if done to you?

Absolutely.

> You seem to be viewing this as an adversarial relationship.  It feels
> at this end like you are going out of your way to make things
> difficult for me.  Yes, I made a little mistake,

Actually most then one, but I'm not going to count.

>  and I'm sorry.  

Most people aren't capable of apologizing, it gives me a glimmer of hope
to see you do so.

> You
> guys came down on me very hard.  

In your opinion. The way I look at it, we were holding back for a LONG
time, only because you did contribute as much as you did. 

We had complaints from other posters about you for quite a while before
the first ban. We issued several warnings and made things very clear
with you. Perhaps it was "hard" but really, what choice did we have?
Suggestions didn't work, peer response didn't work, warnings didn't
work, what other choice was there?

Now, everyone, please let's just move beyond this nastiness.



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