Come on guys, half the time we can't get people to change the tags on
threads as things are. How are we going to get people to retag to UNMOD
before they say something offensive?

We have not had any need for moderation other than for some hot headed
newbie's and a very few crusty old engineers with grumpy tendencies.

I have never deleted anyone from the list for one or even two slips of the
tounge as long as they have something to offer other than questions. It
takes either a full on FU or a long string of put-downs over a period of
months. Months ok? And that was after many, many offlist and onlist
warnings. 

BAJ, you can post without worrying about getting kicked off. At the very
least, I'm going to give an offlist warning before I do anything. 

---
James.
 
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu 
> [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Byron A Jeff
> Sent: 2004 Oct 15, Fri 22:48
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
> Subject: Re: [OT] Looking for a few good... moderators
> 
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2004 at 05:55:23PM +1300, Jinx wrote:
> > > >I think the unmoderated channel is a great idea Byron  I 
> would most 
> > > >certainly be listening in on the regular list but value  
> freedom of 
> > > >speech to the extreme
> > 
> > I have no objection to people speaking their minds - BUT is that a 
> > forum either relevant to or to be provided by those that 
> provide this 
> > meeting place ? That is, this one here which I primarily 
> use and want 
> > for exchanging inforrmation about PIC micros and associated 
> > engineering
> 
> Jinx,
> 
> We have an OT channel that talking about everything from 
> rocketry to politics to GOD. It's just natural that when you 
> have a community the varied and yet this close, the other 
> topic of discussion are going to come up. I'm actually 
> proposing a true home for such discussion. 
> 
> > 
> > As far as those topics that fall under the general PIClist grouping 
> > are concerned, there is no need or place for uncivility, 
> flame wars or 
> > whatever. The rules are quite clear about 
> behaviour/language/posting.
> > If people want something a little more on the edge where they can 
> > indulge in profanity, gossip and punch-ups they can start 
> PIClistXreme
> 
> But of course we still have them. The problem is not only 
> what is said, but how it's said, and how it's perceived. 
> Which means that not only do you have to moderate what you 
> write, you also have to moderate based on the perceptions of 
> a potentially fickle audience.
> 
> I mean would we even be having this discussion if Olin had 
> used the word 'interesting' instead of 'dumber'?
> 
> > 
> > I have joined and left several other groups because they are such 
> > godawful places. No direction, no moderation, open slather, and 
> > frankly simply pathetic excuses for "discussions"
> 
> On the other hand a system with no relief valve eventually 
> blows up just like the PICLIST does with seemingly increasing 
> frequency.
> 
> This proposed UNMOD channel would be invisible unless you 
> specifically subscribed to it. It would be a place to take 
> topics that have gone way off topic and the occasional funny 
> or silly comment that in an open forum could start a rumble. 
> It'll aleviate the moderators of the task of having to kick 
> people out (unless they violate the traditional channels of 
> the list) or having personal moderators. It'll make their 
> lives easier because it'll curtail the silly traffic. It'll 
> limit the silly tit for tat discussions about non PIC non 
> electronic topics that come up from time to time. In fact 
> this thread here would be a perfect candidate for the UNMOD 
> channel. But right now it's in OT because there's no other 
> place for it to go.
> 
> Just to repeat: UNMOD would be unmoderated. Everyone would be 
> unsubscribed to it. It needs to be server filtered if 
> possible so that you never receive UNMOD messages unless you 
> specifically ask to subscribe to it.
> 
> I'm just proposing a solution to the same kinds of problems 
> that I see in the Linux newsgroups on USENET. There used to 
> be a time where the trouble makers would come through in 
> waves. But not they are confined for the most part to the 
> Linux advocacy group, where they spend every day hurling 
> invectives against Linux advocates, and where said advocates 
> engage in a raging discussion on a daily basis. But because 
> of it the other Linux newsgroups are more clean and on topic.
> 
> Just some thoughts...
> 
> BAJ
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