Dave, You haven't though about working from home in your own company? I have done this for some years now (almost twenty years now with some=20 *real* jobs in between...) and it is the perfect way to work for me. No=20 boss and so on... ;-) It is tough sometimes but certainly worth it. I do=20 general Windows/Linux C++ programming and embedded stuff on=20 Linux/PIC/AVR etc and the trend is definitely against more=20 work/contracts available in the embedded field. Most work can be done=20 locally with occasional physical trips out into the real world. As of getting contracts most of the work come in as a spin off from the=20 open-source stuff I do (my hobby..;-)). This work is my advertisement.=20 No one have ever asked for my degree or education yet before giving me a=20 contract (and if they had I wouldn't taken the contract!). The see what=20 I can do from the things I have done and thats true for you as well I=20 think Dave. The most negative side for me is working alone. I miss the coffee break=20 gossip most of all from the "real job world". The PIC list and similar=20 lists have to fill in for that. And do it quite well to with the likes=20 of Olin and Russel and the rest of you guys around :-). This has also=20 been why I have taken some shorter employment during this time. The=20 close interaction with other people and the often god stuff that comes=20 from this. What I really would have liked is some sort of fellowship with different=20 talents around the world who could hunt for and do work together. We=20 have tried this in a group here in Sweden but it is hard to keep the=20 people together as a group. But I still believe in the form. Good luck! Regards /Ake Dave VanHorn wrote: > At 08:54 AM 10/12/2004, Steve Kosmerchock wrote: >=20 >> Lawrence, >> >> I HAVE worked on stuff that kills people, I'm proud of that. I have=20 >> done work for General Dynamics tank operations (Florida) as well as=20 >> Raytheon Missile Systems (AZ / CA). >> I don't judge you, it isn't my place, but as you said, defense is a=20 >> big deal. I am currently considering an oppurtunity to save lives,=20 >> medical electronics. >> Now if I could only convince "the brass" at Raytheon to outfit my car=20 >> with missiles, it sure would make rush hour traffic more=20 >> interesting........ :) The swamp cooler thing is definately not used=20 >> very often during summer, too darn hot. My AC bill during the peak=20 >> months of summer is between $150 to $200 a month.Bob nailed the work=20 >> environemnt fairly well, between Tucson / Phoenix area you have=20 >> Raytheon, General Dynamics, Intel, Motorola, Microchip, Orbital=20 >> Sciences, Medtronic, FlipChip, White Electronics Design ... etc. >> >> Here is a small listing of AZ tech companies: >> http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/lab/6584/AZ_TECH_EMP.html >> >> Good luck Dave!! >=20 >=20 > Thanks. I've been working along these lines, but unfortunately, my lac= k=20 > of degree is less likely to be acceptable at larger companies, mostly=20 > because too many HR drones are between me and the guy who has the=20 > position open. >=20 > It's pretty much vertical wall sledding, in the wrong direction. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > http://www.piclist.com > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist >=20 >=20 --=20 --- Ake Hedman (YAP - Yet Another Programmer) eurosource, Brattbergav=E4gen 17, 820 50 LOS, Sweden Phone: (46) 657 413430 Cellular: (46) 73 84 84 102 Company home: http://www.eurosource.se Kryddor/Te/Kaffe: http://www.brattberg.com Personal homepage: http://www.eurosource.se/akhe Automated home: http://www.vscp.org _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist