Check page 511. There it shows a four-bit counter, composed of "blob-clocked" JK FF's. The action there occurs on the falling edge, which indicates to me that "no-blob" JK FF's should trigger on the rising edge. BUT, and this is a very big but, even if there is a "standard", recall that standards usually aren't. Consider any discussion of RS-232 ports, and all the caveats and such that arise around those. For the final word, I would: A. Always check the data sheet. B. Go back to the logic circuit for a JK FF and see whether that inversion is inherent, or if it is added later on. IIRC (it's been a few years since I last discussed the internals of a JK), that bubble is inherent in the design, but is moved outside to make it more obvious to the reader that the signal is negative-triggering. I hope I did more than further muddy the waters. This thread should be VERY educational. Mike H. On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:33:18 +0200, Wouter van Ooijen wrote: > asked on sci.electronics.design, but no real answer yet. let's ask here: > > I am confused about the edge on which a FF triggers. My intuition would > say that any logic symbol with a plain wedgie (no inverting blob) should > trigger on the positive edge, but maybe that's too simple. > > H&H 2nd edition P508/509 states that a JK triggers on the negative edge, > and an edge-triggered FF on the positive edge. But it is not clear > whether that refers to the implementation as shown, or to the bare logic > symbol. Most JK symbols do have the inverting blob on the clock input. > > P510 suggests that both dividers behave the same, which would imply that > the plain JK symbol triggers on the negative edge, yet P511 states that > the shown ripple divider clocks on the negative edge, the JK symbols do > have the inverting blob, so the plain JK symbol would clock on the > positive edge. > > My tentative conclusion is that a plain (no inverting blob) D FF clocks > on the positive edge. But on which edge clocks a plain JK FF? Positive, > neative, or worse: there is no standard? > > Wouter van Ooijen _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist