Peter ("Peter" in "E"nglish, "Pedro" in "P"ortuguese ;-) ), unless something
really drastic happened in the last 4 years and all of my friends and
parents are lying to me when we talk, I don't think it has improved a lot.
You can still get away from traffic violations given by officers (as opposed
to the automatic radar-camera ones) and it continues as we go higher on the
government. It's even funny to see the current government (lefttist,
opposition for many many years) to behave exactly as the other governments
that they so dreadfully hated.

Padu
.--. .- -.. ..-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pedro Drummond" <electronics@globo.com>
To: "'Microcontroller discussion list - Public.'" <piclist@mit.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:53 AM
Subject: RES: Re: [OT] Venezuela zero tolerance policy


>
> Friends, I am also from Brazil ("z" in english, "s", in portuguese) and I
do
> not fully agree with this. There is corruption, but it was a bigger
problem
> in the past.
>
> This thread started because there was the information that in Venezuela
> traffic offenders used to be immediately executed by policemen some years
> ago. With all due respect, there is no way I could believe this. I do not
> know what is the image being spread about Venezuela, and Caracas (I mean,
> because of Chavez), but Venezuela is definitely not a place where one
might
> expect such a thing.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pedro Drummond
>
>
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: piclist-bounces@mit.edu [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] Em nome de
> Carlos A. Marcano V.
> Enviada em: sexta-feira, 24 de setembro de 2004 10:46
> Para: piclist@mit.edu
> Assunto: Re: Re: [OT] Venezuela zero tolerance policy
>
>  Russell McMahon wrote:
>
> >And where does it stop?
> >Absolutely nowehere, in practice.
>
>  And I must add, where does it start?
>
> I think that my friends from Brasil (yes, with s) and Argentina would
agree
> that in our countries we are raised, intentionally or not, to be corrupt.
> Let me explain myself. Latin american children grow up in so vicious
> societys that parents are "forced" (even thought moral should come first)
to
> teach their kids "survival" schemes. I am not saying that they show you
the
> best way to give money to goverment employees but to act always trying to
> get the biggest benefit for yourselves and to avoid being a victim of
> someone eager. As an example, It is tipical that teenagers involved in
minor
> traffic accidents watch as their parents spend some (or lots) of money to
> get them away from trouble (traffic police is one of the most corrupted
and
> also one of the most underpaid in the country**), instead of accepting
their
> responsability for their actions. This way this kids "know"
> that there is a way of getting out of jams just coins away. And this is
just
> the tip of the iceberg.
>
> Regards,
>
> *Carlos Marcano*
> -Guri, Venezuela-
>
> ** That is another issue: How the hell have we managed to be the fifth oil
> exporter in the world and be so poor? Corruption turned us into poor
people?
> Or poverty made us corrupt?
>
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