in some cases, when i was in high school the college across the street (where we often ate lunch) had an early heavy duty microwave for the frozen vending foods. if you put a pop can etc. in it after a while it would arc to the inside of the oven! i never did it but i have seen it. i don't know if the microwaves were rectified at a seem or dissimilar (different alloy at least) junction and built up a charge or if there was just an impedance mismatch and it acted like a transformer or if it acted like a resonant cavity with energy feeding in through the hole at the top and accumulating until there was enough stored to produce a high field strength. it was interesting and mildly amusing. i've never been certain what actually caused it though. =20 i do know one problem with solid metal in a microwave is that it reflects microwaves, some of them back into the oscillator making it dissipate more heat and run at a higher field strength. of course if there is some food etc. in there as well, particularly if it's on top of the metal that will likely absorb enough of the energy to be ok. it's also hard on microwaves to run them empty or with very little in them, particularly on the higher power settings for the same reason, i.e. the microwaves are not being absorbed so the field strength increases and more is reflected back to the oscillator and dissipated as heat there, where you don't want it hot. if i have very little in the microwave i always run it on low, that way the average power dissipation stays reasonable. =20 food wrapped on all sides with metal will of course keep the food from warming and be hard on the microwave. i have also seen the problem with metal rings, on older plates that had a metallic paint in a circle around the outer edge, it burns and discolors the metal and makes the plate somewhat ugly, and of course you've probably also added some odd metal vapor to your food along with whatever else was in the paint and decomposed when it got hot. Russell McMahon wrote: >=20 > > BTW another dumb question: Can etchant be heated in a microwave? > > I mean it does contain metal right? >=20 > I'd be reasonably confident (3 standard deviations) that you'd have no > problems. >=20 > Metal per se is NOT a good microwave absorber. Metal smelting actually > requires special absorbers which then transfer the thermal energy to th= e > metal. Problems with metal in microwave ovens usually arises from close= d > conductive loops which couple RF energy. You can (and I have) use flatt= ish > metal pie plates in microwaves with no problems. YMMV / Don't try this = at > home if you don't know what you are doing / standard caveats apply ...= :-) ------- --=20 Philip Stortz--"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.=20 Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.=20 Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.=20 Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.=20 Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -- Martin Niem=F6ller, 1892-1984 (German Lutheran Pastor), on the Nazi Holocaust, Congressional Record 14th October 1968 p31636. _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist