At 03:23 PM 9/22/2004 -0600, you wrote: >James Newtons Massmind wrote: >>Just a thought. And we do kill 50,000 to 60,000 every darn year on the road >>here in the USA. >>http://www.massmind.org/other/911.htm Well, the national insurance journal (you'd think they have a dog in this hunt!) reports 43,220 in 2003: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2004/04/30/41664.htm In any case, I have seen in a number of places that US highways are the safest in the world... certainly much safer than those in Europe. I do think that you have to be very careful of highway statistics. For example, in one column in Car and Driver magazine a couple of years ago the editor made the statement that the reason alcohol seemed to be involved with so many accidents was because the agency that collects these data assumed that every accident that occurred after dark was alcohol related regardless of whether there was actually alcohol reported to be involved or not. If true, this really causes one to wonder about all of this data. Unfortunately, almost everyone who collects this data has a stake in the outcome. _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist