Look what happens when I don't get the chance to read the piclist for a while..... About half of us are engineers working on real projects, the other half are hobbyists (thats a guess). I don't have time to read the majority of posts, let alone respond. When someone does take the time to respond, be it abusive or what, its taking time from doing real work. Now of course, some may do it from sheer enjoyment or use it as a break from work to think about someone elses problems for a few minutes. Sometimes the answers are short and terse but what do you expect? This list has alot of traffic on it, and honestly I sort by topic and delete the majority. I did read this thread because I do believe that Olin's heart is in the right place but is brutily honest in his replies. I've worked with those before, and if you cower down then it just stays as bad....else you earn thier respect. Olin rarely asked questions or opinions, moreso gave answers. Bummer he is gone...I prefer honest over glossed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist