The one I saw was http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lifters.htm. I just checked it appears as the first hit if you Google for 'lifter' and its been updates since last time I looked at it couple of years ago when someone told me about it. I actually made one then but I didn't think it through and built it much bigger than the measurements specified. I powered it from an old monitor, tapping into the tube, through some lacquered thin gauge copper wires. Tried it in a room first, the wires were burning the carpet and the stench of ozone was unbearable... I also remember it buzzing very loudly and ominously. You definitely got the idea there was high voltage present. We took it for a try outside next. The wires were sparking into the damp driveway concrete and arcing from the lifter foil to ground. The lifter was straining to lift but because I made it too large the balsa wood was buckling too much, the foil would twist, discharge and the whole structure would settle back down. It was interesting to watch the monitor too, as the tube was still operating... Since then I was going to half all the balsa struts to halve the size of the lifter but never got around to doing it. It was rather exciting though, for one because there was some perceptible lift, whichever natural phenomenon was responsible and also because a couple of my completely non-scientific friends were present and they were very gung-ho about it all until they saw the sparking, heard the loud ominous buzzing and smelled the ozone. None of them would even come close to the thing for good 10 minutes after it was disconnected from the monitor. Eugene. > -----Original Message----- > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu > [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu] On Behalf Of Luis Moreira > Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2004 9:24 PM > To: 'Microcontroller discussion list - Public.' > Subject: RE: [OT] Lifter design > > are there any practical designs that I can have a look at ? > this seems very > interesting... > > Luis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jake Anderson [mailto:grooveee@optushome.com.au] > Sent: 22 September 2004 12:05 > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > Subject: RE: [OT] Lifter design > > > perpetual motion and anti-gravity > fiction for engineers? ;-> > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: piclist-bounces@mit.edu > [mailto:piclist-bounces@mit.edu]On Behalf > > Of Russell McMahon > > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 6:55 PM > > To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public. > > Subject: Re: [OT] Lifter design > > You can't win > > You can't break even. > > You can't get out of the game > > :-) > > > > So far EVERYTHING seems to obey these "rules". > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.piclist.com > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > _______________________________________________ > http://www.piclist.com > View/change your membership options at > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist > _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist