>> But they claim to have run tests to specifically exclude this >> possibility in a vacuum chamber and they say they're not ions. > Got a specific page with photos and/or measurements of one of the > lifters operating in vacuum? I think you have to get pretty hard > vacuum before you do away with ion effects. Sputtering, radiometers, > vacuum depositation, and others are examples of significant ion effects > in partial vacuums... I also had HEARD of claims that it worked in pure vacuum. But I've never seen anything concrete. You could do a fairly good test with less than full vacuum by demonstrating the effect as pressure reduces. RM _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist