> >3. I personally don't believe that if a person can't be civil they >shouldn't be here at all I hear ya. I would like to believe that everyone can be helped, and that we all need different sorts of help, in different ways. Olin can be very helpful, but as someone else said, he does not tolerate fools (or foolishness) lightly. We're all guilty of it from time to time, I call it HomerCode(tm) when I find a particularly stupid bit of code I've written. We should all make those sorts of errors less frequently, and Olin is certainly the guy to encourage you not to make those sorts of errors. I had a drafting teacher like that once, any mistake on a drawing, and you had to start over. Erasers not allowed. He wasn't exactly rude about it, but he was pretty loud about it.. "NOPE, RE-DO" was the standard shout. He did very effectively discourage errors, and encourage you to think and plan ahead. 54 weeks in a year was definitely in the HomerCode(tm) domain. :) BTW: I've started carrying a little miniature notebook with me, whenever I'm coding. When I make a HomerCode(tm) mistake, I write it in the book. It's amazingly effective at keeping me from making those mistakes! I've only used the first few pages, and it's sort of a "badge of Honor" thing, to not let very many get used. A good AVR example would be something like SBR TEMP,6 when you meant to set bit 6. This might be a good thing for all programmers, in any domain. _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist