> Are there "generic" specs for crystals? I'm afraid that most of the > crystals I have come from surplus dealer or salvage, and are terribly > annoymous when it comes to detailed specifications... Yes & no. While crystals from different manufacturers can vary in small but significant ways, there are component combinations that are liable to work well enough a lot of the time. Ultimately, if it's going to start OK and run OK then it will (usually) have a capacitor to ground at each end of the crystal, possibly a parallel resistor and possibly a series resistor. If you are extremely unlucky then maybe a parallel inductor. Finding the right values is the trick. Clean reliable oscillator startup and good waveform and good but not excessive operating amplitude are largely the aims. Oscillator amplitude at the output pin is typically 20% to nearly 100% of Vdd. More or less may cause problems. Oscillator input will be of somewhat lower amplitude than output. The IC in use is a significant part of the equation. At lower frequencies something like 20 pF per leg to ground and no other resistors will often work OK. At higher frequencies some playing may be required. Looking at the signal level and waveform shape with an oscilloscope as you change values will give you a fair idea of what the IC/crystal combination "likes". For crystal of low activity or reluctant oscillators, a parallel resistor, typically 1 to 10 Mohm can help. Many IC's have this internally. For overly active crystals a series resistor in the 100's of ohms to k ohms range can help reduce activity. In very rare cases a parallel inductor of 100 uH or so can help when all else fails. Ask me how I know :-). Capacitors affect not only running but also starting. There are some good crystal oscillator design guides on web but a scope and the above is probably enough. RM _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist