Take your existing screen brightness, take it down 20% for the lens, then spread that light out over the whole area.. Not very bright at all. You do have to flip the yoke. Basically, with a high $ screen, in a dark room, starting with a larger screen, you can maybe get to an acceptable result. _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist