you can fool enough of the people most of the time, especially with media controlled my mega corporations that just love the president and wouldn't tell you if he raped choir boys (not that he does, i suspect he's too incompetent for that.. or did i mean another word..). there is always a massive propaganda campaign before, during, and often after any war on both/all sides, there is little effort by the media to debate whether any of this propaganda is meaningful or sufficient justification for the pending war. note that i believe the dumbing down of u.s. education is deliberate by many, as it allows politicians to more easily pull the wool over the sheep that can't think and can only respond with emotion. by the way, i'm not joking, i do think it's deliberate on the parts of many officials past and present. Gerhard Fiedler wrote: >=20 > > only countries and politicians "win" wars, the people on both sides > > always lose, and lose a lot. >=20 > In that sense I always wondered how anybody in his sane mind could say = that > war is good for the economy. May be on a very short time scale, while t= he > country is making debts and pumping that money into the economy, produc= ing --------- ---- --=20 Philip Stortz--"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.=20 Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.=20 Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.=20 Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.=20 Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -- Martin Niem=F6ller, 1892-1984 (German Lutheran Pastor), on the Nazi Holocaust, Congressional Record 14th October 1968 p31636. _______________________________________________ http://www.piclist.com View/change your membership options at http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/piclist