At least one list member believes that moral absolutes do exist in a Godless
universe. They sent me this offlist so i won't identify them, but the
comments are worth passing on. There's nothing personal here so I imagine
this won't be a problem. (responses like this would be much better on list
if possible).

I had written:

>1.    All seem to agree that in a GU (Godless Universe) all morals,
>standards, meaningfulness, concepts of right and wrong and similar are all
>relative. Each person must necessarily establish their own standards.

"Anonymous respondent" :-)  replied:
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         Sorry, I don't agree. At all. I don't believe in your
   christian/catholic god, and at the same time I KNOW there's an absolute
   moral code.

           Also, this issue is old (by historic standards). Perhaps a visit
to
   the library is in order ?

           You can try Spencer's Social Statics. You might interpret that
book
   as proving your point. (I don't)

           So, go ahead with your wrong premises if you wish. Starting off
from
   a mistake can logically get you anywhere...

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I have asked them why they believe this personally as I would be genuiinely
interested in knowing. Reading what x or y person has written is not the
point - what gets out into people's herats and minds is of interest.

Note (again, again) that this is using the supposition that there is NO
CREATOR. Not just no Christian God but no God whatsoever external to the
universe. The universe "just happened" all by itself. (This of course is not
my personal position - just for the purposes of discussion, to match the
universe view that many have).


        RM



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