----- From: "Lawrence Lile" NEVER believe that the power is off. Even when the switch is off and the > fuse is out. (Especially so if you didn't wire it yourself). I have been > standing on a stool working on a light in such a situation and felt the > heat The saying the power company uses is "Not Grounded Not Dead", when a high tension line is cut an adjacent line can act as a 1:1 transformer inducing ten or hundreds of Kv into the "open" circuit. A common practice in (secondary side) electrical work is to short the line before working on it, this trips the breaker. It also makes it easy to find the correct breaker. I often put a warning sticker across the breaker panel door to prevent someone from opening the door and re-setting the breaker, then go to the circuit I will be working on and short it out tripping the breaker. KF4HAZ - Lonnie -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu