do you know which lines are vcc, ground, and backlight? if so you can power it up and with a suitable resistor and volt meter see how easy it is to pull the other lines high or low, this will tell you if they are input or output. once you know that you can play at sending it signals. chances are some lines are data and one's a clock line, once you find the clock line you can systematically try different values on the other input lines and see what happens. a logic pulser might also be nice, but not essential. note that there is of course some risk of frying the subject, but if you have stacks of them and can't find any data frying a couple of them isn't too expensive. tracing the signals can help you find the power/ground connections since they are shared, you can always probe with an ohm meter to see which pins go more than one place, those pins will be power. you can probably assume 5v power. not entirely trivial, but if you put some time into it there's a fair chance you'll figure it out. it's hardest at first, as soon as you figure it out a little bit the rest gets easy quick. Alexandre Guimaraes wrote: > > > > The manufacturer is Optrex and the model numbers that I can see > > > printed are either DMF-51097, COB 51097C or PWB51218. > > > > Probably house numbers - ie not OTS parts. Can you identify the > > manufacturer of the IC > > > > http://www.elektronikforum.de/ic-id/ > > No logo on the controllers... One of them is a black "blob" and the > other one is a chip that is connected at the flat cable, just the die... ---------- -- proof that the U.S. media is now state controlled! Ask your' local tv station why the hell they aren't airing the news any more! Our system of government requires an informed public, with their eyes open. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body