My message was a bit messy because of the list's line formatting and a mistake I made , I'll try again. > Grimm, Justin wrote: >> Has anyone had experience with the above ide. > > Unless you've got a very good reason, and I can't think of one, I would go > with the standard Microchip MPLAB tool suite. It's free, reasonably good, > supported by Microchip, supports the whole PIC product line, and use by > the > vast majority of PIC developers. I use it a lot, it's fun, much easier to use than microchip's and the simulator is extremely high quality. From your comment I would have to guess you have never tried it. I may sound like I am advertising for Oshonsoft here but I do use it for most of my projects. Here is a what I like about it(and this is by no means complete): Simulator: Accurate in detail, even all periferals with correct timing for everything. (this is unlike what microchip tells you about their simulator) -a beautifull display of register values and bits in them -clickable bit and byte values to change their contents -selectable run speed (slow to fast in several steps)with and without screen update -a terminal simulation for testing hardware and even bitbanged serial io -simulated led displays you can virtually connect to io pins of your chosing -simulated character lcd you can virtually connect to io pins of your chosing that supports all standard display sizes -simulated bit scope function -simulated generator -sliders for analog input values -microcontroller pin view with live clickable changable pin status Built in Basic programming language: Is non optimizing this might be a disadvantage. -support for bitbanged / hardware serial io. -easy writing to character lcd. It's still a work in progress but i really like using it for quick prototyping. And all of this for $19 (for home users like me) a good deal., and you have nothing to lose (but time), try it for free. I am not associated with Oshonsoft just like their program. Peter van Hoof -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body