Try an ultrasonic flow meter. Basically you aim a 40 KHz tx/rx at the pipe and if there is a phase shift, you have flow. It gets a lot more fancy if you want to know the exact flow, but for your application it should work well. For more information, google ultrasonic flow meter. I love the idea since it's non-invasive. This was the reason why I was searching for ultrasonic pairs about a week ago. :) Hope this helps, Aaron Tufgar -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics