On Tue, 17 Aug 2004, Gerhard Fiedler wrote: > I think this is the crucial point of this issue: the one connecting to an > AP is not actively pulling data, he is requesting data. The router is > responding to the packets, that (for the purpose of this discussion) are > not spoofed or anything. If the owner of the router doesn't want his router > to respond to my requests, he should configure it to not respond. Technically, this is absolutely correct, and I agree completely. In practice, however, it's a distinction which will be totally lost on the average consumer, attorney, judge or jury. Few things cause heartache more than knowing you're technically right but nobody will listen to you :) So from the point of view of the (clueless) user, you're drawing from their resource. It's an uphill battle to convince them otherwise. I really wish these things came configured locked-down instead of wide-open. -- Steve Willoughby | "It is our choices... that show what we truly | are, far more than our abilities." | --Albus Dumbledore, in Harry Potter and the | Chamber of Secrets, by J. K. Rowling -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body