Happy to hear your parents are fat cats ... my parents and theirs worked hard, too, but aren't fat cats ... hmmm ... wonder what happened. Heh, maybe everyone's goal isn't to become a fat cat. My father and his were both university professors in fields not conducive to fat-catting, yet still chose to work long, hard hours. Hope it didn't make them lesser Americans ... Here's the pentagon paper: http://www.ems.org/climate/pentagon_climate_change.html#report it's probably more interesting in its geopolitical rantings than in the science, borrowed from elsewhere, but it's noteworthy that it would come from the same government that walked on the Kyoto Accords. Perhaps I should flip this and ask you to prove: 1) that the ice-age process has not happened before 2) there is no possibility that it could happen (again) (depending upon the outcome of 1). Given the rather compelling evidence (though not black and white), it would seem more difficult to disprove. The problem with sciences that deal with unknowns is that it is unlikely that there is any way of predicting absolutely any scenario; take weather for example. When I was a kid, the weatherman was a joke and knew less about the weather than I did (having just come in from the rain). Today, the prediction is pretty darn good and there is usually an explanation when it's wrong, yet it is doubtful that there will ever be total exactitude. I don't need that kind of precision to know that I want to leave when a Cat 5 hurricane is approaching my home. Similarly, ice cap melting is measurable, the ocean currents and temperatures are as well, and ice cores are compelling in their story. Whether the changes are manmade or not will never be proven to all, nor is it necessary. Likely, we will find out soon enough. Personally, I'm glad some people have chosen careers where they seek explanations and understanding, though won't become rich in the process. -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU]On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 3:26 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT:] Global Warming I am happy to hear that you admit that you can't prove it. Also, most Americans that I know that are well off came here from somewhere else, or their parent's did as in my case, and broke their butt working very hard, studying hard and going without to become successful so that they can be envied and called fat cats and criticized by others who did not sacrificed and struggle to make it. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu