>The holes for the ZIF socket are tiny - the same size as those for >resistors and such, and on all the ZIF >sockets I have the pins are much too big, and "flat" in the opposite >direction to ICs, so they won't go into >the PCB or "turned pin" IC sockets at all, and conventional "flat" IC >sockets are almost impossible to use >because the ZIF's pins are edge-on to the wiping contacts in the >socket. Does anyone have a favourite socket >that will accept a 3M (green) ZIF socket properly? Have a look here: http://www.dontronics.com/hints.html#sockets and maybe here: http://www.dontronics.com/hints.html#pins Olin, you may want to consider altering your hole sizes on the next PCB revision to accept the larger ZIF pin size. I have used at least five different brands of ZIF sockets and of these only the ARIES brand had the thin pins. All other brands use the wide pins. Some of these other brands of ZIF socket are not only much easier to operate than the ARIES ZIF, they also can be very much less expensive and easier to get in some parts of the world. Regards, Jim Robertson NEWFOUND ELECTRONICS -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.