Howard Winter wrote: > Right - I don't know if they are available here - pretty-much > everyone sells the 3M ones (including Digi-key over there, I see), > and they have the annoyingly-wide pins. I just measured one and they > are 0.9mm wide, > 0.45mm thick, giving a diagonal a tad over 1mm. As far as I can > measure your holes for P1 are 0.95mm The holes for the ZIF socket are specified as .029 inch in Eagle. Allowing for .004" tolerance from the PC house leaves .025" (about .64mm) max pin diameter for a sure fit. > (interestingly, the 5 holes for > ICSP are about 1.3mm and accept the ZIF pins easily). That size hole with .1" pitch doesn't allow for traces between the holes. That's not a big deal for 5 pads, but I don't know what it would have done to the routing if 2 rows of 20 pins were blocking both layers from pass thru traces, not to mention the large break in the "ground plane" top layer. One reason I like these ZIF sockets is that the pad footprint is the same as a normal 40 pin DIP IC. In other words, this single footprint can accept a ZIF socket, a normal 40 pin DIP socket, or a 40 pin IC, and still allow one trace or ground layer to run between each set of adjacent pads. ***************************************************************** Embed Inc, embedded system specialists in Littleton Massachusetts (978) 742-9014, http://www.embedinc.com -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.