Thanks for the various kind thoughts and wishes for good health on list and off.. Flattery will get you somewhere :-) My first clue that James had put something on list was a phone call this morning from Jinx, inquiring after my health. (I'll have to remember not to let James know until after I have died next time). Event was not, probably/hopefully a major one in the order of things. Just a sudden unpleasant painful fairly short term very interesting (even more so after the event) blip with the suggestion that something unknown may still be wrong. Nothing, apart from the immediate problem, that could be seen on a CT scan, so that's encouraging. I'll be seeing a specialist a week from now but there's every chance that all is 100% OK. I'll let you know the outcome one way or the other. Meantime, it didn't slow my posting down too much. I really need to be cutting down quite a lot on the time I spend online anyway, which should be no surprise to anyone :-) Russell McMahon -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics