> Hang on a sec... Just because everything we see and have ever seen in > ourselves, nature and the cosmos tells us that it is a dog eat dog universe, > we should not expect that new encounters with people / things outside our > current stomping grounds will be out to harvest us for dinner? Harvest us for dinner - fairly inconceivable. Destroy us - more likely. General consensus is that any race able to develop intergalactic or even intra galactic travel technology would not sensibly have war and destruction and domination as any part of their viewpoint. Anyone who holds such views seriously has probably not spent any significant amount of value time with their local Klingons :-) Seriously, I don't think we can establish anything with certainty about the thinking of non-human intelligent races, should such exist (or even if they don't :-) *** ). If a race had an ultra-ultra long term view and a them or us mentality then self perpetuating exterminators and spreaders of one's own type would seem sensible enough. Francis Crick of Crick & Watson fame was the proposer of the concept of "directed panspermia" - purposeful seeding of life as we know it by aliens long ago - as a significant possible source of life on earth. ("Life itself", Simon & Schuster 1981). I'm just starting to read the book in my "spare" time. I find it fascinating that one of the four* "discoverers" of the so far understood role of DNA in life**, should be so certain of the utter improbability that life developed from non-life on earth that he would risk his very-considerable reputation by writing a book that argues the case for our fore-fore-fore-bears being placed here purposefully by aliens. Gives one a very comforting glow when you listen to the likes of (bounders like ****) the 'can't for the life of me see why so much esteemed Richard Dawkins. RM * 4 - read the history ** DNA's role as the sole arbiter of genetic inheritance is looking shakier by the month. *** Some argue that the known existence of aliens would be a death blow to Christianity or/and various other religions. I can't see why, unless such religions claim the non-existence of such as a fundamental tenet. Nothing I know of God indicates to me with certainty that life does or doesn't exist elsewhere in the universe. However, despite the almost overwhelming demands of humanist logic that life MUST exist elsewhere, my gut feeling is that we are alone. I would be pleased enough if it were found to be otherwise. **** Tried to think of a word for Dawkins that was fair to use. Rejected idiot and liar. Bounder is a good stop gap. Dawkins avoids & obscures reality and twists truth to make his points. He leads uninformed people helpless to his conclusions while papering over the trivialities or untruths that he has used to support his case. He snipes and disparages, makes you think he will in due course come to fair battle and then at the end slides yellowly from the field to return another day with yet another populist book based on smoke and mirrors. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu