Hi! I just got my first pic, a 16F84A a few days ago=2E I decided to build M= ichael Covington's NoPPP programmer (being more than cost-effective), whic= h is supposed to be able to program both 16F84 & 84A=2E Just to be sure (I= would hate to wreck my PIC) I went in the Programming Specifications for = 16F8X datasheet from microchip=2E One detail caught my attention: ( in the= bottom of the table if anyone cares) Erase and Program time: 8ms for pic16F84A (the one I have), 20ms for all = other devices I'm wondering, if the noPPP software waits for 20ms (it doesn't naturally = support the 84A) instead of 8ms, does something 'happen' during the exces= s 12ms? Thanks for any light, csb -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu