"even big wild animals in healthy condition taste better than a dirty old stressed-out heifer." A big old tough deer has meat tougher than the cow's hide... You have to develop a taste for it. Wild meat nearly always has some sort of parasites, cook it well... There are few critters nastier than chickens or tastier than chickens. Feed lots are a shock, but range raised beef are not nearly as palatable. John Ferrell http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert B." To: Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [OT:] USA slow learner re cattle Prion diseases > You're right about the stress hormones being produced, and technically > correct about exposing yourself to them when you eat the meat, but ingestion > is very different from injection, and most of the hormones get denatured > when you cook the meat anyway. So its a bit of a stretch to point to that > as a serious problem IMHO. No doubt healthy animals taste better though, > even big wild animals in healthy condition taste better than a dirty old > stressed-out heifer. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip Stortz" > > > > frankly, having raised livestock on a small farm, i'm appalled at the > > way livestock is generally treated, fed, and otherwise abused. when we > > bread pigs, we always had litters of over a dozen piglets, and they all > > lived, in commercial operations they never have that many born and many > > don't survive. the way animals are farmed and processed in this country > > is appalling in the extreme, our slaughter houses process animals over > > 10 times as fast as any european country. not because we are better at > > it, but because we are more sloppy which is how you get e-coli (from > > feces in the intestines) in beef here when it's unheard of in most parts > > of the world. same goes for chicken and turkey. > > > > we fed our animals properly and took good care of them, they were much > > healthier and much, much tastier when slaughtered. most people would be > > appalled if they saw the way commercial feedlots operate, the animals > > are always walking around in their own waste, forming a disgusting mud > > because they cram too many animals into a given space and don't move > > them from pen to pen often enough. as far as prions, fortunately it's a > > small problem, but it is being grossly ignored like most health threats > > that happen to require solutions that make an industry less profitable. > > it's short sightedness in the extreme, and greed in the extreme. > > > > if you exposed your dog or cat to the conditions under which livestock > > are commonly raised you'd be fined and jailed for animal cruelty. and > > most people don't seem to realize that animals that live in a stressful > > environment produce a lot of stress related hormones, that those > > hormones wind up in the meat, and the hormone systems tend to be > > preserved, i.e. most mammals use the same hormones for the same things, > > meaning you are in fact exposing your body to many of the harmful > > effects of stress when you eat meat from stressed animals. aside from > > the moral issues, this is just plain stupid! > > > > Russell McMahon wrote: > > > > > > Hopefully not too slow !!! :-( > > > > > > In US it is STILL legal and current practice to feed blood, excrement > and > > > feathers from chickens to cattle. And legal to feed chickens by products > > > from cattle. So that .... > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/10/politics/10cow.html?th=&pagewanted=print&position= > > > > > > Hopefully this will change very shortly. > > > But, even if they stopped feeding cattle by-products to chickens, how > does > > > that make you feel about your beef ? :-) > > > > > > This page may or may not need a free registration to view. > > > If you are terminally averse to registering and REALLY want to see the > page > > > contact me OFFLIST and I will send it to you. > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > > > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > > > -- > > proof that > > the U.S. media is now state controlled! Ask your' local tv station why > > the hell they aren't airing the news any more! Our system of government > > requires an informed public, with their eyes open. > > > > -- > > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different > ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.