> Aren't there universities where students make their own chips? Chips by students in a VLSI design class are generally made via Mosis.org= , not on-site at the university. Mosis is a clearinghouse that combines ma= ny small chip orders onto single wafers that are manufactured at a commercia= l fab. It looks like they'll take orders from anyone (starting at several thousand dollars), not just students. Jason Harper -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics