Which programmers are available that support the dsPIC line? I tried to find an explicit list of what is supported by the PICstart+ but could not find any. I suppose it does not do dsPICs, so the cheapest uC alternative is the ICD2? Wouter van Ooijen -- ------------------------------------------- Van Ooijen Technische Informatica: www.voti.nl consultancy, development, PICmicro products -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads