Went to the Atmel seminar today. It wasn't quite as interesting as the last one I attended (two years ago); perhaps too much was repetition. They do claim to be working on USB AVRs with flash, as well as ethernet, but they aren't close enough for any details to be available. The newer low-end chips (40 pins and less) will have a one-wire debugging interface with functionality similar to the JTAG capability in the current large (ATMEGA) chips. That sounds somewhat nice. You'll need a new "JTAG ICE Mark 2" (which interfaces to computer via USB) to use it, though... However, the AVR marketing critter claimed that we would be able to buy ATTINY11 chips (Atmel's low-end 8 pin chip. Analog comparator, 1 8bit timer, 1K flash, no eeprom, no ram) at $0.25 each in any quantity. I guess this is some sort of preemptive effort against the new microchip low end flash parts (pic12F508, pic10f.) Perhaps I misunderstood, and this was only for the duration of the seminar; I haven't found a vendor publishing that price yet. On the other hand, Digikey IS advertising $0.54 each (1) to $0.37 each (100), which is still pretty cool. BillW -- http://www.piclist.com hint: To leave the PICList mailto:piclist-unsubscribe-request@mitvma.mit.edu