The councillor was being a bit vague or prideful maybe -- but you can find yourself in court under certain circumstances. Up here in Alberta, our professional organization (APEGGA) can and will go after you if you are a non-Eng but are advertising yourself as an Engineer I guess I could get away with this as I hold a New Zealand Certificate of Engineering, but not a university engineering degree. This was done through a polytechnic course, and at the time was considered equivalent to the UK City and Guilds certificate in the appropriate subject. -- http://www.piclist.com#nomail Going offline? Don't AutoReply us! email listserv@mitvma.mit.edu with SET PICList DIGEST in the body