From that site: "Like medical or legal professionals, professional engineers are licensed, and are accountable for their work. Their duty is to serve and protect the public welfare where engineering is concerned. Professional engineers subscribe to a strict code of ethics and practice standards. The practice of the profession is regulated by Professional Engineers Ontario. In Canada, the title "professional engineer"; is restricted by law. In Ontario, only those individuals who have demonstrated that they possess the necessary qualifications and have been licensed by PEO can use the title, which is often abbreviated as "P.Eng.". " http://www.peo.on.ca/registration/l&rpage1.html On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 10:45:26 -0400, Dave Lag wrote: > > Actually, your cited reference says: > "Licensed professional engineers can be identified by the P.Eng. after > their names." > .... > "The Society is the advocacy and member services organization formed by > Ontario engineers to promote their professional and economic interests." > 'nuff said > > > > At 09:18 AM 6/21/04, you wrote: > >On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 11:03:12 +0100, Michael Rigby-Jones > > wrote: > > > from www.dictionary.com > > > > > > Engineer: (n) > > > 1. One who is trained or professionally engaged in a branch of engineering. > > > 2. One who operates an engine. > > > 3. One who skillfully or shrewdly manages an enterprise. > > > > > > Seems to me that you are fully entitled to call yourself an engineer if you > > > are "professionally engaged in a branch of engineering". The definition of > > > this terms does not mention any mandatory qualifications. > > > >In certain jurisdictions, it does. In Ontario, the Professional > >Engineers Act requires that for you to advertise yourself as doing > >professional engineering work, you must hold a P. Eng. designation. > >There are 3 criteria in the act, which can be found somewhere at > >http://www.peo.on.ca/ > > > >The gist of the whole act is that where life, property or safety are > >concerned, practitioners should put the welfare of society first and > >foremost, and should meet minimum standards of experience and training > >enforced by more experienced practitioners before being allowed to > >approve designs on their own. If a practioner is found to be > >incompetent, or produces / approves work of inferior quality, their > >license can be suspended and fines can be levied. All these decisions > >are made, in Ontario, by peers elected to the Association of > >Professional Engineers. In this way, the profession is > >self-regulating. > > > >Some may argue that this is of limited or no relevance to anything but > >bridge building, but I think that's a misguided position. Computer, > >electronic and software systems are already of great importance to > >financial, health care, food processing and many other applications > >where health, safety or security of property are concerned. I'd rather > >that the desiners of such systems had the approval of an organization > >with a long-standing history of protecting the needs of the public. > > > >And if having more reliable MRI machine or power grid means that the > >guys at the stereo store down the street can't call themselves > >Engineers or that MCSEs can't either... well, I have no problems with > >that. > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Mike > > > >-- > >-Randy Glenn > >Computer Eng. and Mgt. Year IV, McMaster University > >Chair, McMaster IEEE Student Branch > > > >randy.glenn-at-gmail.com - glennrb-at-mcmaster.ca > >randy.glenn-at-computer.org - randy_glenn-at-ieee.org > >http://www.randyglenn.ca > > > >-- > >http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > >(like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics > > -- > http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics > (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics > -- -Randy Glenn Computer Eng. and Mgt. Year IV, McMaster University Chair, McMaster IEEE Student Branch randy.glenn-at-gmail.com - glennrb-at-mcmaster.ca randy.glenn-at-computer.org - randy_glenn-at-ieee.org http://www.randyglenn.ca -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics