In my opinion, seat belts and air bags have had a detrimental effect on road saftey. All such devices should be outlawed, to be replaced with an 8 inch steel spike sticking out of the centre of the steering wheel. I recon the maximum speed anyone would do would be about 15MPH. Pedestrians would be able to go about their business in absolute saftey. Mike. --- Outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.706 / Virus Database: 462 - Release Date: 14/06/2004 -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.