> >Many countries approach this subject with the attitude or with a >constitution that focuses on the rights the government allows the people >to have, vs. the US approach that the rights really do come from the >people. Citizen vs Subject? >I am truly free. If I want to own firearms, I have a constitutional >right to do so. As for concealed permits owners, Utah has tens of >thousands and not one has every killed a person or committed a serious >crime. There have been a few publicized accounts of road rage where a >gun is flashed and subsequently the permit is revoked if the person acts >foolishly. And a good example of the fact that the system works, and does what it should do. I also have read many statistics about increases in crime in England and >other countries with very strict laws. Again, crimes rates have dropped >in the US in states with concealed weapons programs. Of course the big >cities like Chicago and New York have strict laws against gun ownership >so they have higher crime rates. I've never really agreed with the "just hand them the money" philosophy. It's probably safer for me, but not for us. -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.