> i understand that it does cost something to operate these clearing > houses, but $1500 for an id # seems excessive in terms of the effort Agreed. It makes it unlikely that I will develop (unassisted) a USB device. Now, some of the USB chips come with predefined ids which makes it possible for us to do this. > inexpensively some similar items from similar providers are. it does > seem that to some extent the large enterprises are setting up these > industry groups and running them in such a way as to discourage > competition from smaller entities, which i feel is unfortunate for the > consumer and encourages laziness on the part of established > manufacturers. perhaps i'm wrong, but that is the perception. Much as I hate to say it, $1,500 is very little to even a small comercial enterprise that is properly funded. If I thought I had a good marketable idea, even I could pay it (if I had the numbers to convince my wife...). -- D. Jay Newman ! DCX - it takes off and lands base first, jay@sprucegrove.com ! as God and Robert Heinlein intended. http://enerd.ws/robots/ ! -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The PICList is archived three different ways. See http://www.piclist.com/#archives for details.