Agreed. The local motoring magazines have actually disqualified cars with lap only belts in the rear seats from their 'Car of the Year" style awards. I find seatbelts especially useful, I can't imaging being in an accident in my car (which has no roof) with no seatbelt. In addition, as stated they are very handy for helping you stay in your seat when manouvering. At one of our recent track days I took a ride with a guy with the same caras me, but with semi slick race tyres, even with the normal seatbelt it was not physically possible for me to hold myself in the seat in cornering (he's getting a full harness next) -----Original Message----- From: pic microcontroller discussion list [mailto:PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU] On Behalf Of Philip Stortz Sent: Thursday, 17 June 2004 4:40 AM To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: [OT]: Seatbelts - was: detecting emergency vehicles. Radar fools & Red light cams actually, the insurance companies weren't wrong. before the shoulder belt was added the lap belt only version was actually dangerous. they tend to concentrate the force too much on the abdomen and damage organs. this isn't a crack pot theory, my brother learned about this problem when he was training to be an emt (emergency rescue technician), and from the instructor no less. there is a lot of evidence to support this. however, with a shoulder belt, they are definitely a very, very good idea. seat belts do more than restrain you in a crash, they help hold you in position as you maneuver, particularly during a hard turn of panic stop when you are trying to avoid an accident, that extra control can make a huge difference in the outcome. John Ferrell wrote: > > More education is usually a good thing. > It would be nice if the other drivers on the road were aware of how > far it takes to stop a 24 foot Motor home towing a trailer with a back > hoe before they tempt fate. > > There was a time when insurance companies frowned on seat belts (what > are you going to do that needs them?) and refused coverage if you > installed a roll bar. ---------- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics -- http://www.piclist.com hint: The list server can filter out subtopics (like ads or off topics) for you. See http://www.piclist.com/#topics