It is quite possible to do electronics as a hobby anywhere. Rule 1: Never order less than 200 resistors, or less than 10 more of anything that you need. Rule 2: Get good at desoldering stuff. Rob a few caps from old VCRs Rule 3. Keep a big, well organized junk box with lots of littlle labeled drawers. Avoid the H*** Box syndrome. "Aw H*** I will just throw it all in a box. Rule 4: Jameco is your friend. Mouser and Digikey are nearly your friends. Rule 5. Grab bags, assortments, and so on are good. Rule 6: Round out those onesies orders to $25 by adding a few NIMH batteries each time. You know you will need them. Rule 7: Yes, radio shark stinks. I still give them a lot of business because there is no alternative locally. They *DID* have a USB:RS232 adapter in stock when Circuit City didn't. They *DO* have many types of obsolate cables and such, and the store near me still stocks some components. All of the shops here that catered to real hobbyist went out of business. Radio Shark got the message and sold stuff that makes them a profit. I don't blame them. -- Lawrence Lile Robert Rolf Sent by: pic microcontroller discussion list 06/15/2004 04:51 PM Please respond to pic microcontroller discussion list To: PICLIST@MITVMA.MIT.EDU cc: Subject: Re: [OT:] RadioShack Canada Sucks Jason S wrote: > > What if you only need a few dollars or even a few cents worth of parts? > You're still looking at at least $6 in shipping costs. Yep. > > I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that without a local retail parts > store, it's simply impossible to do electronics work as a hobby. Yep. Unfortunately I got used to driving by Active on my way to work to pick up whatever I needed that day. With the change in ownership there is so little useful inventory that I now just order my stuff from Digikey, pay the shipping and be done with it (my time is worth quite a lot, unlike a hobbyist). It's still on my desk the next day. Part of the problem with doing 'hobby' design is that you often don't always know what you need until AFTER you've sent in your order. So you either have to plan better, accounting for all likely needs, or live with the minimum purchase and shipping costs. I always order a few extra of whatever I purchase so that my 'junk' draw is pretty well stocked, so I need to order much less often now. One always needs IC sockets, capacitors, connectors, etc. etc. so ordering 'just enough' has its shortcoming, particularly if ordering 10 of something makes the extra 2 pieces 'free' because of a price break. The big killer for hobbyists, as I see it, is the MOQ (minimum order quantity) that most distributors now have. If I only need 25 molex connectors, why the bleep do I have to place a factory order for 500? For SMT IC's it's even crazier. 500pc on some things where you need only 30 (so sampling won't get you what you need). It is stupid that one of my criteria for designing in a part must now include whether I can get it in small production quantities (10's or 100s). Robert -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads