from what little i've seen, 5-10 mills on each side (10-20 mills total) around the maximum lead size is the "normal" range for ic leads. for surface mount discretes often longer is preferred, though again you don't want those big pretty fillets. of course your need to run traces between pins and soldermask limitations also influence things. of course as with all things, a web search may or may not help/overload you depending on how you phrase the query. i tried that and found the ipc site which does have many common outlines and variations from some manufacturers for specific parts in common cases, i.e. they've submitted one for a specific part/package but the pattern is probably good for all devices in that package. it does take a little poking around on the ipc site, but at least there's some reason to suspect they are good ones. on the other hand, as i mentioned i finally just used what came with the board package even though they were somewhat oversized pads, but since i'll be doing hand assembly i figured that would make it easier and would definitely work, where as small pads could have been a problem for hand assembly, so assembly method doubtless has an impact as well (and since i'm getting 56 of these tiny boards on a panel i definitely needed them to be usable, even if not "ideal"). the company that will be making your board and their capabilities definitely impact on what is the "best" layout, especially when they don't do really fine work and you are using surface mount chips. i used olimex, their trace/space and drill size limitations definitely complicated things but the price was right. for a larger board with many surface mount parts (that i didn't need to panelize) i'd probably pay the extra for finer lines, smaller vias, and easier layout. PicDude wrote: > > Not always, but sometimes. If you can find an SOIC datasheet with the package > dimensions and PCB layout, then use that as a guide and adjust accordingly > for the Cerpak with the diff dimensions. You'll have a decent idea of how mu > pad you need around each pin, especially since the pin pitch is the same on > both packages (0.050" IIRC). > > If not, use the SOIC pad layout for some other part in Eagle and the datasheet > for that part as a starting point, and then adjust accordingly for the > Cerpak. -------- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads