some do, but not many. in any case, the package info is the place to start. i have found some manufacturers that do provide suggested layouts, but not all of them do (i'll try and check tomorrow the places i've found them recently). another reasonable source is: < http://landpatterns.ipc.org/default.asp> which has many layouts from many manufacturers and their own generics for common packages as well as a calculator for designing your own, though i haven't used the calculator and it requires knowledge of what you want the solder joint to look like. many of the discrete manufacturers like rohm, philips, cde, epson, etc. do provide them for discretes at least. it is somewhat frustrating as everyone has a different recommendation however the ipc site does explain some of the criteria and why. for instance most government specs call for a nice large solder fillet that's easy to inspect, but this is actually bad, it's best for soic's and j-lead devices to have less solder than you would normally think to reduce stress and bridging problems. on my last design, i looked around and finally used what came with the board layout package i used (Osmond, free for the mac though lacking in connectivity awareness but other wise excellent and it handles metric and english measures at the same time very nicely). i know those layouts weren't optimal, but i'll be hand soldering most likely and there aren't many parts on the board so it's less critical (if i make money i'll get a heat gun, i've found that works well with solder paste on small boards, now i'll be using paste and a metcal iron with some of the wide tips, i shouldn't mention it but you can get a very good deal on metcal gear on ebay and after using it where i worked before i've always wanted it, it's just too slick!). by the way, i've also managed to fix one of my metcal power supplies i got on ebay (which made it cheaper of course!) and it's certainly the only place to look for most tips at a hobbyist friendly price (it spoiled me the first time i used them for soldering, and for desoldering they are even better!). sorry, i just love, love, love metcal, at least their better system, i haven't tried the "low cost" system but it probably still beats most irons. Liam O'Hagan wrote: -------- > On Monday, Jun 14, 2004, at 19:59 US/Pacific, Philip Stortz wrote: > > > the best bet is always to download the datasheet from the part > > manufacturer (they may have a separate file/link for the package info) > > I haven't found many vendors that suggest PCB layouts. Lots of detailed > specs on the package itself, usually, but no suggestions for the pads... > > (If anyone DOES know of a vendor that provides these, please let us > know!) -------- -- http://www.piclist.com hint: PICList Posts must start with ONE topic: [PIC]:,[SX]:,[AVR]: ->uP ONLY! [EE]:,[OT]: ->Other [BUY]:,[AD]: ->Ads